Thats because Nazism did not quit abusing of peasants, does not mean Marx did not observe that ! Thats why, people like Bernie Sanders is called Maxist because he supports workers.
Marxism began in the mid-19th century with the publication of The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in 1848. This landmark pamphlet outlined the core ideas of Marxism, including class struggle and the critique of industrial capitalism, laying the foundation for a new body of social, political, and economic thought.
Fascism started during the turmoil of World War I, with Benito Mussolini forming an early organization in late 1914 and early 1915 that evolved into the Italian National Fascist Party in 1919......During this period Mussolini considered himself an "authoritarian communist" and a Marxist and he described Karl Marx as "the greatest of all theorists of socialism.".....so......evidently....Fascism EVOLVED out of COMMUNISM !!!
Bernie Sanders , having held various public offices since 1981, he is an independent and a self-described democratic socialist. Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' Party, pejoratively and more commonly known as the Nazi Party, terrorized Europe in the 1930s and '40s,...."To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary — indeed, sole — focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, antisemitic agenda."
It was hoped that the combination of nationalism and socialism would attract a class of society.........and.........indeed it did ! Every bloody psychopath under the sun !!
And it still does !
Look at all the pro-HAMAS rallies being held ! Murderous psychopaths galore !
And YOU THINK that MARXISM wasn't the CAUSE of Soviet Russia , Maoist China , Pol Pot in Cambodia and everywhere else in the world that COMMUNISM has killed it's own "peasants" and "workers" ? You NEED to read a lot more Kate !
Tucker Carlson does not represent American Conservatism. Many of us are well aware of human misery in history and the glory of modernism. This writer could have mentioned Carlson and the other person, whoever he is, and not cast all conservatives in the same light. That alone ruins an otherwise good enough piece of writing.
I 100% agree with the need for a realistic view of the past. That said: how much of all that violence and misery was because essentially everyone was really poor, materially, which is a function of development/technology rather than politics? I suspect the vast majority.
One might argue over whether some form of feudalism lite political system is even possible in materially developed modern/post modern society, or whether its introduction would lead to economical collapse... There used to be a belief that democracy and development went necessarily hand in hand, then we got China. So it's not a settled case
I'm NOT AT ALL pro neo feudalism btw. I still do think that separating the political and material factors here would be useful and that we need to make a strong, separate argument for democracy.
I think the author’s view is that you need free societies in order to get the sort of technological progress that can lead to modern abundance, so all these things are interconnected in a way that can’t really be separated. The rise of China is not really a counter example to this story (yet) because they are still experiencing catch-up growth, which relies on pre-existing technologies developed in free societies.
I do agree that if this is the view being put forward, though, it should be spelled out, otherwise the way the article is written it feels like we are sort of double counting modern progress. We give credit to the Industrial Revolution, but also to democracy/liberalism, and also to science. All these things played a role but they can’t all have full credit for modern abundance.
> That said: how much of all that violence and misery was because essentially everyone was really poor, materially, which is a function of development/technology rather than politics? I suspect the vast majority.
I think the problem with this is a bit like trying to evaluate "how much of the death toll in the Americas was intentional murder versus disease" - it's impossible for the intentional murder to hit the disease death toll when you're talking 90+% of the native population dying, no matter how serious you get about genocide. If half of all children die before age 5, it is impossible for even the most vile regime to get a higher kill count than natural causes.
Continued: Tucker was fired from Fox News for his increasingly strange obsessions. People who want to "Make America Great Again" are looking to the past when Americans had MORE freedom, not to times before America existed.
MARIAN L TUPY : DID YOU REALLY WRITE THESE WORDS ????
"One is a lack of appreciation for the reality of the daily existence of ordinary people whose lives,
in the immortal words of the English philosopher Thomas Hobbes, were “poor, nasty, brutish, and short.”..................[ As has ALL OF MANKIND'S HISTORY .......until about the last 150 years or so !!! ]
Another is their apparent conviction that the United States is, in the words of President Donald Trump, “a failed nation.” Except that we are nothing of the sort. The United States has plenty of problems, but the lives of ordinary Americans in 2025 are incomparably better than those of the kings and queens of the past."[ YES.....AGREED.......BUT ONLY RECENTLY ! It was NOT a lot of FUN for the early American "settlers" and "colonists' , 1600's onwards , and didn't improve much even after America became Independent ! ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE VERY RECENT and are ALL DUE to inventions and innovations , like Jethro Tull's agricultural improvements , and McCormick's Reaper etc , "modernity" and "prosperity" are BOTH a very recent development ! ]...................WHAT TRUMP SAID WAS TRUE AND ACCURATE AT THE TIME , AND ESPECIALLY DURING BIDEN'S BLUNDERING DEBATE WHEN HE DEMONSTRATED HIS LOSS OF MENTAL FACULTIES !
"Trump’s statement — one he made not for the first time — that “We’re a failing nation right now. We’re a seriously failing nation. And we’re a failing nation because of Biden.”
During the debate, Trump also said “All over the world we were respected, and then he comes in, and we’re now laughed at. We’re like a bunch of stupid people.”
AND , at that stage TWO WARS had broken out and AMERICA , being , as always , the FINANCIAL POWERHOUSE OF THE WEST , was contributing FAR MORE than EUROPE to defend Ukraine and Israel.....and YES.....people WERE mocking the abundantly evident REDUCED INFLUENCE and AMERICA'S FAILURE to PROJECT POWER as it had been able to in the past. It was "failing" !
HE DID NOT SAY FAILED ! Those are your words ![ or is it a "typo" and you are "off the hook" !??].
There is a world of difference between "failing" and "failed" !
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YOU THEN SAID : "Solving the problems that remain and will arise in the future will depend on careful evaluation of evidence, historical experience, reason, and hard work. Catastrophism does not help, for it rejects human agency by declaring that the future is already decided."
By comparison WITH THE FEUDAL ERA "modernity" has already solved MOST of the everyday human's problems and has by and large , met ALL his major needs , satisfied MOST of his wants and really should concentrate it's efforts on overhauling the 'education system' and the "curricula" at all levels ! This is where the "catastrophism" is being developed by "ideologists" and inculcated into the minds of children and susceptible "students" , which then flows out into the general community , causing alarm , hopelessness and I dare say , mental derangement at many levels !
MARIAN , I challenge you to use you brilliant mid to devise a "decent and authentic curricula " to IMPROVE THE EDUCATION SYSTEM which is grossly FAILING in every WESTERN COUNTRY , and especially here in Australia !
"................... the future will depend on careful evaluation of evidence, historical experience, reason, and hard work "..........for goodness sake ! THEY DON'T EVEN TEACH HISTORY ANYMORE !
Let alone "reason"and "critical thinking" and "excellence".....you get "participation awards now ! " ......and " empirical evidence" has been relegated to the trash can in favour of "intuition" and "emotions" and "feelings" !!! You certainly can't say that AMERICA is NOT FAILING THERE AS WELL.
Yes, let’s leave the past in the past. I recommend the book, An Underground Education by Richard Zacks, which includes some grim history – things you do not learn in history class – and which manages to be both horrifying and funny.
Max More .....I generally AGREE with your opinions........and I think I can see why YOU expressed this one , here and now...............BUT..............you knew THAT was coming..........NO.......I think it is both necessary and healthy in any advanced society to EXAMINE THE PAST , rake it over and discover how , when , where and why "we" human beings managed to crawl out of the mire and the muck and emerge into our current luxurious and luxuriant lives !
Only then can "we" be in a position the REALISE HOW FORTUNATE "WE" ARE INDIVIDUALLY and BE GRATEFUL to all the ancestors that "set it up for us" ....because THEY sacrificed an awful lot , either deliberately or unwittingly , to SET UP OUR WESTERN CULTURE with it's CAPITALISTIC FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM and the body of LAWS and MILITIA to enforce them
Indeed Tucker's comment doesnt make sense whatsoever.
Feudalism's abuse of peasants labor was unimaginably deadly and horrific. Adam Smith and Karl Marx understood that.
Seriously Kate ???? "Feudalism's abuse of peasants labor was unimaginably deadly and horrific. Adam Smith and Karl Marx understood that."
SO...THEY DEVISED A SYSTEM THAT KILLED HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF THEM INSTEAD ........and it doesn't get more deadly or horrific than that !
ps......NAZISM is another deadly offshoot of Marxism.....just in case you didn't already know !
What a stupid response!
Thats because Nazism did not quit abusing of peasants, does not mean Marx did not observe that ! Thats why, people like Bernie Sanders is called Maxist because he supports workers.
Marxism began in the mid-19th century with the publication of The Communist Manifesto by Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels in 1848. This landmark pamphlet outlined the core ideas of Marxism, including class struggle and the critique of industrial capitalism, laying the foundation for a new body of social, political, and economic thought.
Fascism started during the turmoil of World War I, with Benito Mussolini forming an early organization in late 1914 and early 1915 that evolved into the Italian National Fascist Party in 1919......During this period Mussolini considered himself an "authoritarian communist" and a Marxist and he described Karl Marx as "the greatest of all theorists of socialism.".....so......evidently....Fascism EVOLVED out of COMMUNISM !!!
Bernie Sanders , having held various public offices since 1981, he is an independent and a self-described democratic socialist. Hitler's National Socialist German Workers' Party, pejoratively and more commonly known as the Nazi Party, terrorized Europe in the 1930s and '40s,...."To that end, he paid lip service to the tenets suggested by a name like National Socialist German Workers’ Party, but his primary — indeed, sole — focus was on achieving power whatever the cost and advancing his racist, antisemitic agenda."
It was hoped that the combination of nationalism and socialism would attract a class of society.........and.........indeed it did ! Every bloody psychopath under the sun !!
And it still does !
Look at all the pro-HAMAS rallies being held ! Murderous psychopaths galore !
And YOU THINK that MARXISM wasn't the CAUSE of Soviet Russia , Maoist China , Pol Pot in Cambodia and everywhere else in the world that COMMUNISM has killed it's own "peasants" and "workers" ? You NEED to read a lot more Kate !
Just fuck off.
Oh ! I will.....but with your ignorant and vulgar propensity ,YOU certainly won't be in the queue !!
I never said that. As a matter of fact, I have written economic equality based egalitarianism is wrong
Politicians ambition and psyche. You dont think that? WOW
Adam Smith was the exact opposite of a Marxist
Equating Tucker's ignorance of history to MAGA is a cheap shot that is itself as ignorant as Tiucker's weird positions.
Tic
Who is Tucker’s audience?
Tucker Carlson does not represent American Conservatism. Many of us are well aware of human misery in history and the glory of modernism. This writer could have mentioned Carlson and the other person, whoever he is, and not cast all conservatives in the same light. That alone ruins an otherwise good enough piece of writing.
I 100% agree with the need for a realistic view of the past. That said: how much of all that violence and misery was because essentially everyone was really poor, materially, which is a function of development/technology rather than politics? I suspect the vast majority.
One might argue over whether some form of feudalism lite political system is even possible in materially developed modern/post modern society, or whether its introduction would lead to economical collapse... There used to be a belief that democracy and development went necessarily hand in hand, then we got China. So it's not a settled case
I'm NOT AT ALL pro neo feudalism btw. I still do think that separating the political and material factors here would be useful and that we need to make a strong, separate argument for democracy.
I think the author’s view is that you need free societies in order to get the sort of technological progress that can lead to modern abundance, so all these things are interconnected in a way that can’t really be separated. The rise of China is not really a counter example to this story (yet) because they are still experiencing catch-up growth, which relies on pre-existing technologies developed in free societies.
I do agree that if this is the view being put forward, though, it should be spelled out, otherwise the way the article is written it feels like we are sort of double counting modern progress. We give credit to the Industrial Revolution, but also to democracy/liberalism, and also to science. All these things played a role but they can’t all have full credit for modern abundance.
> That said: how much of all that violence and misery was because essentially everyone was really poor, materially, which is a function of development/technology rather than politics? I suspect the vast majority.
I think the problem with this is a bit like trying to evaluate "how much of the death toll in the Americas was intentional murder versus disease" - it's impossible for the intentional murder to hit the disease death toll when you're talking 90+% of the native population dying, no matter how serious you get about genocide. If half of all children die before age 5, it is impossible for even the most vile regime to get a higher kill count than natural causes.
Continued: Tucker was fired from Fox News for his increasingly strange obsessions. People who want to "Make America Great Again" are looking to the past when Americans had MORE freedom, not to times before America existed.
Hello there Marian, I see your posts often in my feed, and I must say I do enjoy what you share.
I thought I’d introduce myself with one of my latest works, you may enjoy it:
https://open.substack.com/pub/jordannuttall/p/tartaria-in-the-18th-century?r=4f55i2&utm_medium=ios
MARIAN L TUPY : DID YOU REALLY WRITE THESE WORDS ????
"One is a lack of appreciation for the reality of the daily existence of ordinary people whose lives,
in the immortal words of the English philosopher Thomas Hobbes, were “poor, nasty, brutish, and short.”..................[ As has ALL OF MANKIND'S HISTORY .......until about the last 150 years or so !!! ]
Another is their apparent conviction that the United States is, in the words of President Donald Trump, “a failed nation.” Except that we are nothing of the sort. The United States has plenty of problems, but the lives of ordinary Americans in 2025 are incomparably better than those of the kings and queens of the past."[ YES.....AGREED.......BUT ONLY RECENTLY ! It was NOT a lot of FUN for the early American "settlers" and "colonists' , 1600's onwards , and didn't improve much even after America became Independent ! ALL THESE IMPROVEMENTS ARE VERY RECENT and are ALL DUE to inventions and innovations , like Jethro Tull's agricultural improvements , and McCormick's Reaper etc , "modernity" and "prosperity" are BOTH a very recent development ! ]...................WHAT TRUMP SAID WAS TRUE AND ACCURATE AT THE TIME , AND ESPECIALLY DURING BIDEN'S BLUNDERING DEBATE WHEN HE DEMONSTRATED HIS LOSS OF MENTAL FACULTIES !
"Trump’s statement — one he made not for the first time — that “We’re a failing nation right now. We’re a seriously failing nation. And we’re a failing nation because of Biden.”
During the debate, Trump also said “All over the world we were respected, and then he comes in, and we’re now laughed at. We’re like a bunch of stupid people.”
AND , at that stage TWO WARS had broken out and AMERICA , being , as always , the FINANCIAL POWERHOUSE OF THE WEST , was contributing FAR MORE than EUROPE to defend Ukraine and Israel.....and YES.....people WERE mocking the abundantly evident REDUCED INFLUENCE and AMERICA'S FAILURE to PROJECT POWER as it had been able to in the past. It was "failing" !
HE DID NOT SAY FAILED ! Those are your words ![ or is it a "typo" and you are "off the hook" !??].
There is a world of difference between "failing" and "failed" !
.
YOU THEN SAID : "Solving the problems that remain and will arise in the future will depend on careful evaluation of evidence, historical experience, reason, and hard work. Catastrophism does not help, for it rejects human agency by declaring that the future is already decided."
By comparison WITH THE FEUDAL ERA "modernity" has already solved MOST of the everyday human's problems and has by and large , met ALL his major needs , satisfied MOST of his wants and really should concentrate it's efforts on overhauling the 'education system' and the "curricula" at all levels ! This is where the "catastrophism" is being developed by "ideologists" and inculcated into the minds of children and susceptible "students" , which then flows out into the general community , causing alarm , hopelessness and I dare say , mental derangement at many levels !
MARIAN , I challenge you to use you brilliant mid to devise a "decent and authentic curricula " to IMPROVE THE EDUCATION SYSTEM which is grossly FAILING in every WESTERN COUNTRY , and especially here in Australia !
"................... the future will depend on careful evaluation of evidence, historical experience, reason, and hard work "..........for goodness sake ! THEY DON'T EVEN TEACH HISTORY ANYMORE !
Let alone "reason"and "critical thinking" and "excellence".....you get "participation awards now ! " ......and " empirical evidence" has been relegated to the trash can in favour of "intuition" and "emotions" and "feelings" !!! You certainly can't say that AMERICA is NOT FAILING THERE AS WELL.
Today I learned there was more to Jethro Tull than “Aqualung”
Yes, let’s leave the past in the past. I recommend the book, An Underground Education by Richard Zacks, which includes some grim history – things you do not learn in history class – and which manages to be both horrifying and funny.
Max More .....I generally AGREE with your opinions........and I think I can see why YOU expressed this one , here and now...............BUT..............you knew THAT was coming..........NO.......I think it is both necessary and healthy in any advanced society to EXAMINE THE PAST , rake it over and discover how , when , where and why "we" human beings managed to crawl out of the mire and the muck and emerge into our current luxurious and luxuriant lives !
Only then can "we" be in a position the REALISE HOW FORTUNATE "WE" ARE INDIVIDUALLY and BE GRATEFUL to all the ancestors that "set it up for us" ....because THEY sacrificed an awful lot , either deliberately or unwittingly , to SET UP OUR WESTERN CULTURE with it's CAPITALISTIC FREE ENTERPRISE SYSTEM and the body of LAWS and MILITIA to enforce them
so "we" could inherit this virtual paradise !